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Anecdotal observations on game, women and politics

This post by the charming and thoughtful Sofia got me thinking about some issues related to game and politics. This entry is a bit more disorganized then normal, so bear with me.

1) When it comes to politics, women are either totally dull or batshit crazy. There is no middle ground. Without fail, all of the girls I’ve known, dated, loved, and banged who were excessively interested in politics were um, weird. I don’t have enough experience with conservative chicks (not too many unmarried, single, hot ones in the not-so-great American Northeast) to form an educated opinion, but liberal girls are generally bitchy and demand total ideological agreement from their men. If you don’t have the balls to articulate why your beliefs are better, prepare to be emasculated. For instance, while in college and prior to stumbling into the ways of the pick-up artist, I lucked into getting a girlfriend who was heavily involved in an anti-globalization group. Being the beta bitch I was, I masked my Evil Right-Wing Beliefs for the sake of having pussy, which translated into paying a markup for “fair trade” coffee and getting hyped up about spending my Saturday afternoons at anti-free trade rallies. On the plus side, leftie girls put out quickly – but you knew that already.

This extends to the world of political punditry as well. Both left-wing (Feministing and related blogs) and right-wing (Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin) women are known for making hyper-emotional arguments bordering on the insane. No man could ever get away with a tenth of the wingnuttery that Coulter has spouted on national television (though Glenn Beck is trying his damndest). Political women who aren’t nuts are unbelievably boring, which is just as bad. As Female Misogynist wrote here:

Now, as long-time readers may have gathered, my blogreader constantly changes. Some bloggers, you read them for a couple of months and you’ve already absorbed what they have to offer and don’t really need to keep reading unless you just enjoy their style. Vox Popoli is one such; read one month of him and you’ll get the message. Also, I’ll get interested in a subject and read several blogs about it for a few months, then when my curiosity is satisfied I’ll drop most of them except for the few that are still stimulating. And when I do that, now that I think of it, the female bloggers are always dropped at that point. Their blogs are always the most trivial.

I recently dumped Megan McArdle and Laura Wood from my blogroll and RSS reader. I’ve been trying to read McArdle for a couple of months, but I just can’t get into her. Intellectually, she’s as dull as a butter knife, and she can’t provide a single economic insight that the fellas at EconLog, the Ludwig von Mises Institute, or The Daily Reckoning can do better. As for Laura Wood, she’s a sixth-rate mind and her commenters are just as lame. She’s basically Lawrence Auster without any of the man’s intelligence or insight, and she’d be more useful if she’d shut up, get in the kitchen, and make her husband a sandwich.

2) Being apolitical is girly. The sweetest, most feminine girls I’ve loved knew next to nothing about politics or simply didn’t care. One of my most fondly remembered flames in college, a six-foot tall, raven-haired beauty, didn’t know what the Watergate scandal was. Her ignorance was my bliss.

3) The amount of energy a woman pours into politics is directly correlated with her age. It was Michael Savage who first joked that Hollywood starlets become more liberal as their butts lose the firmness they had when they were young, and I think it’s true for most females. My experience is that teenage girls and college chicks, on average, couldn’t care less about what’s happening in Washington. At the same time, my decrepit cougar co-workers can’t fucking shut up about current events. I can’t go a day without hearing them natter on about how incredible Obama is and how evil the Republicans are, or some variation thereof. I HAVE noted that married women tend to be more discreet about their political views, so perhaps dick deprivation plays a role in making women into left-wing harpies. Another reason to stick to young girls!

4) Alpha males, if they are political, are usually conservative. All of the ones I’ve known in my life, including the asshole I wrote about here, were solidly right-wing. Knowing the truth about women has a way of knocking the leftist programming out of your head. Before learning game, I was a moderate neocon; now, I’m somewhere between Pat Buchanan and Francisco Franco on the reactionary scale. Conversely, a higher than average number of liberals are betas.

5) Most libertarians are betas. Every hardcore libertarian I’ve known was socially maladjusted to some degree, and none of them were good with women. As Razib Khan wrote, there’s something about libertarianism that draws the socially retarded:

The “grasped a priori” part has really bothered me. I mean, I read psychology and history, I can’t derive it a priori. Recently I was going over some issues in modern Middle Eastern history, and learned that King Hussein of Jordan had apparently asked Israel for permission to send a brigade to Syria to invade the Jewish state during the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Honestly, I really don’t know if I could ever grasp Arab psychology a priori. The more and more I read about psychology the more I think that anyone who believes that they could develop an axiomatic system of human action from insights they grasped a priori is totally retarded (mad props to Aristotle though, he worked before the cognitive revolution). More specifically I have to wonder if they are socially retarded. I have suggested that an attraction to libertarianism is in part a function of your personality. Normal people rarely become libertarians, rather, it’s a ideology driven by young non-alpha males with Roark/Galt fantasies. There are many more Justin Raimondo & Eric Garris types than Mark Cubans in hard-core libertarianism. Any survey of the biographies of von Mises or Murray Rothbard emphasizes their stubborn heterodox tendencies; but at this point I just wonder if they were social retards to whom their a priori logic was plausible because they really weren’t as complicated as most humans, who engage in habitual and casual hypocrisy and contradiction. I recall reading Rothbard once explaining how one might buy and sell children in “flourishing child markets” in an anarcho-capitalist order. Even then I remember thinking, “Dude is weird….”

6) Most alpha males are, to a certain extent, apathetic about politics. Even the ones I’ve known who had political opinions generally had a “who gives a shit” attitude about the whole sordid mess.

7) Women should NOT be allowed to vote. Ideally, neither should men, but that’s another topic entirely.

50 Responses

  1. Yeah it’s pretty safe to say there are no Libertarian Alphas. Mind you the “woe is me” mentality that many Libertarians have suggests most Libertarians are well on the Om3ga/Beta side of the spectrum. Alpha males don’t tend to get political as they are more interesting in results than in the methods (i.e. they’re machevallian).

  2. I’ve often wondered what I could have turned out to be if the men in my dad’s side had been stronger. I tend to be a lot more aggressive due to my mom’s side, but that was tempered by the example from my dad’s side. My generally libertarian view comes mainly from wanting to be left alone by the majority of mankind. I’m the kind of misanthrope that only takes pleasure in the pain of others when they force that pain to intersect with my life.

  3. I went to grad school in DC. There were plenty of hot conservative chicks in my classes. The liberal chicks seemed to like it when I bared my reactionary fangs, perhaps because so many of the other guys were liberal doormats.

  4. Every once in a while Megan McArdle breaks loose and writes a great post like her classic on gay marriage. Not to mention Jane’s Law:

    The devotees of the party in power are smug and arrogant. The devotees of the party out of power are insane.

    Shannon Love over at Chicago Boyz is also excellent.

  5. Number 5 is definitely the most inaccurate of them all. Libertarianism is not synonymous with praxeology.

    However, it’s understandable how all the randian trash and austrian pseudoscience pollutes the interwebz and is most frequently subscribed to by e-warrior libertarians.

  6. There are no big ‘L’ libertarian alphas. That political party is full of social misfits and is totally worthless. I’m a small ‘l’ libertarian, ie what I used to think of as a small government conservative. I left the GOP when it became apparent to me that they really don’t believe in limited government.

  7. All your typical liberal college chick is is a fruitcake who has daddy issues. Not that conservative women are much better on politics, anyway. They just squabble over what to control. Even liberal men and conservative men can often agree to not have the government in everyone’s business all the time.

  8. You won’t find too many Libertarian that really get human nature. The philosophy really fails when you start to consider how humans work with groups. I think they fundamentally think that human formed groupings don’t mater to the individual and the concept of being able to make all decisions without regard for the group is a quick way to end up dead.

    Libertarianism is simply another stupid liberation philosophy that fails to understand that we are pack animals, not cats.

  9. –I disagree with #5.
    The libertarians I know are “high income/own their own business” types. Your referenced descriptions of “stubborn, socially simple, casual hypocrisy” just doesn’t fit. Perhaps there is a difference between those who write about libertarianism and those who strive to live it.
    The social grace to avoid annoying politic talk at work, is lacking in men, even more than women.

    –#3. agree , and the corollary: women who fail to develop an interest in politics as they age are profoundly boring. The interest may be local/community rather than national/ global, but the lack of any kernel of interest in life beyond their circle is a red flag for BORING.

  10. If you have the balls and the brain to back it up you can usually, over the course of time, flip a college grad feminist to at least a moderate republican. At least if the college feminism is a form of rebellion against her conservative upbringing — going back to the right can, if played properly, feel to her like coming home in a way. If, however, she was raised by lefties, it’s much harder to flip them, because it’s very ingrained. You can always play the rebellion card (you’re the rebellion against her own past), but that can often be ephemeral and short lived.

  11. 1) When it comes to politics, women are either totally dull or batshit crazy. There is no middle ground.

    I’m interested in political theory, and general historical political patterns, does this count? If I were to be either of those two categories however, I would probably call myself “batshit crazy”.

    If you don’t have the balls to articulate why your beliefs are better, prepare to be emasculated

    Um, yes. That’s applicable to both men and women (but in the case of women, I guess figurative intellectual evisceration). If you’re going to bother having political opinions they need to be substantiated enough to be argued against other views. If you don’t want to argue them, discard them, and don’t vote.

    Being apolitical is girly.

    It may be girly, but it’s totally idiotic (yes, Ancient Greek punnery, FTW) & the two are mutually exclusive. As much as I’m vehemently turned off by the political system, I still think it’s important to evaluate your views as they apply to things politically, even if it is on a non-partisan, individual level (best one, IMO). You can be girly, informed, intelligent, and not a ball-busting bitch about your views trying to impose or argue them on everyone within your field of view.

    Most alpha males are, to a certain extent, apathetic about politics.

    Non-partisan > apathy.

    Women should NOT be allowed to vote. Ideally, neither should men, but that’s another topic entirely.

    Agreed. Platonism rules.

  12. Grim,
    I don’t see libertarianism at odds with group cooperation. A libertarian donates to the poor *locally*, where she can monitor the effectiveness. A *big goventmentist* advocates for behemoth DC-centric programs, paid for by OPM.

  13. One note: Married women who have children tend to get more conservative after that, unless they have been so vocally liberal in their youth that they’ve staked their self esteem on those positions (in which case it will be hard for them to let go of them).

    You say “Alpha males, if they are political, are usually conservative”

    Well, except those who run for office, such as Edwards, Clinton, etc. Among those who run office, it used to be that the conservatives were more likely to be “male alphas” (i.e., leaders of men), while the liberals were more likely alphas to women (relying on the tingle to get votes). Maybe not so much anymore, but still somewhat true. It may also be that these “female alphas” who run as liberals are just playing a role, although people tend to start to believe their own bullsh!t after a while.

  14. The libertarians I know are “high income/own their own business” types.

    Those are Republicans who don’t want to take heat for being Republican.

    Republicans in the Bay Area, New York, etc. use the ‘libertarian’ label. It is a very general purpose label that is used by groups as unrelated as Bay Area conservatives and pot-legalization zealots.

  15. Ferdinand,

    One important area that you have not mentioned.

    Social conservatives are no longer ‘right-wing’. On many issues, they agree with feminists, and are not supporters of free-markets, self-determination, and personal responsibility for ALL adults (not just men).

  16. I think Southern white male lawyer types like Edwards, Clinton, and Gore are not really left wing. They just take that position for the political convenience of being in the Democratic party. They don’t ideologically believe in leftism any more than they can use it for personal gain.

    Edwards and Gore had 4 kids each.

  17. @sophie,
    it’s great to see a young woman interested in history and politics, and goal-directed in your dating. Wise to be aware and thoughtful of what actually is attractive to some men.

    But, this is worrisome: “does this count?”
    You’ve come supplicating to men asking, “Am I still OKay?”, “Am I still desirable to you strangers here?” “Must I hide or change my passions?” Never show such weak supplicating behavior. The men here will never tell you this, but they don’t respect a woman who can be steam-rolled or who has no back-bone of her own. I understand you are not gaming these readers here, but your request for their approval betrays your GirlGame.

    Agree that neither men nor women should be allowed to vote. Democracy is so overrated.

  18. I was mainly being facetious when I said, “Does this count?” highlighted by the fact I succeedingly called myself batshit crazy. I am probably undesirable to 99.9999% of the men here & IRL; I have no qualms accepting that.

  19. Nice post Ferdinand.

    I have similar feelings. I think politics is used as a shit test for many women.

    I think most women ( not the rare ideologue) care much more about the messenger than the message itself.

  20. “I’m interested in political theory, and general historical political patterns, does this count?”

    No. I’m talking about people who are involved in political movements and are junkies for politics news. Being an activist is so not sexy anymore. If you aren’t out on a freeway intersection screaming slogans at passersby, or writing a political blog, you don’t count.

    “You can be girly, informed, intelligent, and not a ball-busting bitch about your views trying to impose or argue them on everyone within your field of view.”

    All true, but most women can’t pull that off.

    “Non-partisan > apathy.”

    The two are not mutually exclusive. I’d argue that being non-partisan is a mild form of apathy (at least in the U.S., where it’s Democrats, Republicans, or nothing).

    “Agreed. Platonism rules.”

    I was thinking more along the lines of absolute monarchy (bring back the Kaiser!), but I could go with that too.

  21. “I am probably undesirable to 99.9999% of the men here & IRL; I have no qualms accepting that.”

    You’d be surprised. Girly, smart women are usually in high demand.

  22. @Grant,
    I think we saw a bit of that with Sarah Palin also. MEN liked the messenger .

  23. Think about the fact humans form groups that follows these lines: There is an in group mortality but it’s fine to screw the outside group over. This happens with every group system.

  24. Possible but not likely. Do you think Palin actually generated a lot of male votes who would not otherwise have voted for her ticket? She’s quite easy on the eyes for a woman of her age, but I think almost all the men who voted for her would have voted for McCain anyway, on purely partisan grounds.

    That was the problem with Palin, really. She wasn’t able to bring in a demographic. Men were with McCain anyway, or if they weren’t, she certainly didn’t sway them. She may have gotten some of Hillary’s crowd to vote for her, but not in any significant numbers. That could have been different had she presented better in interviews and so on, but not how it turned out to be. Nevertheless I didn’t see that many conservative men here in Washington singing her praises after McCain picked her.

  25. Nah, I think she increased turnout for rural white women, just as Obama increased turnout in blacks (even though 90% would have voted for a white Democrat anyway).

    There are two dimensions, always. Voting splits AND turnouts. Even though Dems get 90-95% of black votes, if black turnout is still just 45%, then there is still further upside for Dems among blacks.

    Just like there is further upside for the GOP among rural white Christians.

  26. Do you think Palin actually generated a lot of male votes who would not otherwise have voted for her ticket?

    I (vaguely) recall data from the WSJ on her conversion of “undecided” to “Rebub.” votes. Among men, there was a 7-8% of undecided conversion. Among undecided women, there was a tiny insignificant conversion. ….the positives and negatives cancelled each other out.

    So, YES, I absolutely do believe some men will vote for the messenger. At a base level, men enjoy endorsing her.

  27. Again, I would say that this is more based on her politics than her appearance. A liberal feminist Sarah Palin does not get that many male votes.

  28. Right-wing women are better looking than left-wing women, once you exclude the ‘fashionable minimum political parroting’ group of women (picture).

    This picture is accurate and funny, and should be sent to feminists and other leftists as often as possible. It gives them vein-popping strokes.

  29. Plural of anecdote != data.

    There are plenty of ugly right-wing women. Watch some of the 9/12 teabagger videos. The difference is that left-wingers tend to value talent, intelligence, and reason. A lot of women who possess those are 60+ years old and, therefore, fairly unattractive. The right has a better sense of branding and stage presence, and is more unabashed about its willingness to use beautiful (and often insane) young women for its purposes.

  30. The difference is that left-wingers tend to value talent, intelligence, and reason.

    WHAT?!?!? This party of PC, feminism, and affirmative action?

    A lot of women who possess those are 60+ years old and, therefore, fairly unattractive.

    No. Read Ferdinand’s point 3 above.

    But your hysterical and illogical projection merely proves how powerful that picture is at exposing the daylight of truth to leftists.

    Others : Take note how quickly the picture gets under the skin of leftists.

    Also devastating :

    Proof that Republicans are more economically productive (and hence smarter) than Democrats.

    Proof that Republicans are happier than Democrats.

  31. Hmm. Well Im certainly not boring so I guess I would go in the crazy category! (And OLD since you pointed that out as well.lol)

  32. liberal girls are generally bitchy and demand total ideological agreement from their men.

    How does that make them ‘liberal’? Isn’t that the opposite of the definition of ‘liberal’?

    The right loses half the battle by referring to leftists as ‘liberals’ and ‘progressives’. They are rigid, illiberal, and fascist. Why cede the use of good words to them?

  33. “The difference is that left-wingers tend to value talent, intelligence, and reason.”

    Left wingers don’t value that anymore than right wingers do. California is a liberal paradise and every facken person we put in office has zero talent, is a moron, and can’t reason themselves into fixing our budget problems.

    The mayor of LA is a drunk and a clown yet everyone fawns over him. Such a smart man!

  34. The problem with converting Leftists is that their positions are grounded in emotion rather than logic. Everyone knows that the Soviet Union failed, but that will not prevent the Leftists from embracing every Soviet policy; without logic, they sound just as good now as they did then.

  35. I said that left-wingers value talent and intelligent. Not all of them have it. Many don’t.

  36. They don’t. Leftists value PC-based political identities, ideological conformity, and social perversion.

    Leftists NEVER value talent, because that, by definition is free-market capitalism. Leftists strongly oppose meritocracy (since they occupy its lowest level).

  37. It is much worse than that. In the USSR, at least their idiocy was only economic. The Kremlin didn’t toy with feminism, misandry, fake rape laws, etc.

    US leftists want to ruin our society in ways the USSR never even imagined.

  38. I’m going to posit a novel idea by suggesting every partisan hack is ruining society. Actually, the very concept of a society is inherently “ruined”. Also, politics doesn’t exist on a linear spectrum, oh my God.

  39. “The difference is that left-wingers tend to value talent, intelligence, and reason.”

    Yeah, in the exact same sense gay dudes tend to value really attractive women. They like the idea, but haven’t got the slightest idea what the idea means.

  40. You’re missing out on an important possibility: foreign women. I ain’t going to do my usual tirade, but the only reason you’d even consider dating an American is you haven’t tried the alternative. It was one of those things for me which was like discovering fire. I woke up one day and realized … anyone I ever dated for longer than 2 months was at least raised in another country. Either that or incredibly working class, which is kind of the same thing.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/11/13/how-american-women-are-seen-by-kazakhs/

  41. At the beginning they considered going feminist and destroying the family, and so on, but quickly decided this was a bad idea. So they forced women into the workforce without changing gender roles very much.

  42. If you wanted a real answer, you would find some list of women (top 100 female celebrities or something like that), and find out their political beliefs to avoid selection bias. And not seek portraits of one group and unflattering paparazzi pics of the other.

    Anecdotally, when I went to the Democratic caucus last year, I saw plenty of stereotypical feminist harridans, but also plenty of cute college girls. Actually, both groups were outnumbered by little old ladies, because old people are the ones who go to that sort of thing.

    There actually IS an obvious difference between the appearance and demeanor of liberals and conservatives. It’s hard to describe, but if I had to use one word I’d say that the liberals are soft. Look at the picture at Stuff White People Like to see what I mean.

  43. I used to have an OkCupid profile. I answered only the questions on spiritual and sexual values, because those are the most important dimensions of compatibility, or, at least, the most important ones that can be measured by a survey.

    I looked at the women with the highest %-Friend and %-Enemy ratings. Both had the full range of physical attractiveness, but there were completely different facial types. The good girls had a cute, girl-next-door look. The bad girls had a “hot” but empty look, kind of like Ann Coulter. So I think that there is a soft, feminine facial shape that correlates positively to traits like compassion and a concern for social justice, and negatively to promiscuity. (Despite the assertion that liberals are more promiscuous, the actual correlation between politics and promiscuity seems to be near-zero.)

    I don’t mean to equate compassion with liberal politics, since there are a lot of assholes who are leftist out of academic conformism or resentment, and I think certain strains of conservatism (e.g. Barry Goldwater) are as compassionate but driven by pragmatic concerns. On the other hand, Reaganoid/Dubya “fuck ‘em good” neoconservatism is driven foremost by a lack of compassion, and the women who follow that style of politics tend to have a “hot but evil” look.

  44. No. I already accounted for the exclusion of ‘default fashionable minimum parroting’ which would exclude the usual starlets who mouth off fashionable leftism but really have no interest in the subject.

    Yes, leftists are soft, and veer far closer towards androgyny than the right does. That being said, leftists are far more twisted and seething with anger than normal people are.

  45. Leftists have an extremely evil aura about their face. Just look at the pictures of editors at The Nation, or of major lefty bloggers. The hatred for all life that they possess, is evident in their faces.

    By contrast the writers at the National Review look serene and secure, even if in an occasional fuddy-duddy way.

    The sharpest right-wingers, however, are minority right-wingers. Deroy Murdock, Thomas Sowell, Ramesh Ponnuru, etc. They have a very alpha confidence about them, and far stronger in a debate than anyone else.

  46. Democracy is not what the founders intended, it is ‘mob rules’. This is supposed to be a Constitutional Republic.

  47. Ferdinand, have you read my blog? I invite you to try it for a little while. For better or for worse, my focus tends to change frequently, but I always invite feedback, so everyone is free to suggest new direction.

    I had no idea that libertarians were more beta than most. I know that most objectivists are beta, but then, most of anything is beta.

    Most alpha males I have met are somewhat apolitical. I think this is because they are too in touch with their own masculinity to identify with left wing politics, which essentially is based on punishing the strong in favor of the weak. This should inherently repel an alpha. Outside of this, the right wing is driven by so much anti intellectual religiosity and mindless patriotism that intelligent people are unable to identify with republicanism. Thus, alphas become right leaning people outside of the American politican spectrum.

  48. that intelligent people are unable to identify with republicanism.

    Your comment was correct until this sentence. Republicans are demonstrably more intelligent than Democrats (see links above).

    The alpha is a ‘right leaning person’ outside the political system, but still votes for the Republican candidate at the end of the day (concealing this fact from women).

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